Arias un adelantado a su época, propone un estilo por el que se muestra fascinado
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Fuente: Studio fútbol

Alfredo Arias brindó una extensa e importante entrevista a la revista española PANENKA en donde explicó cosas de su vida, su forma de ver el fútbol y su etapa en el Emelec donde saborea las mieles del éxito tras el título nacional del 2017.

Alfredo Arias es hombre de fútbol, aunque para darse cuenta de ello tuvo que verlo en la televisión que tenía en su pizzería en una de esas ocasiones en las que el azar está de buen humor. Delantero de la década de los 70 y 80, Alfredo sufrió la frustración de tener una mentalidad adelantada a su época y cuando se retiró decidió alejarse de un mundo que conocía pero no era capaz de entender. Tuvieron que pasar más de 20 años hasta que el uruguayo encontró su lugar o, al menos, el camino para llegar hasta él. Un camino que a los españoles nos parece habitual, pero que en países como Ecuador, donde el Emelec de Alfredo acaba de salir campeón, aún es senda tenebrosa.

Comencemos por el principio. Su carrera como jugador se desarrolló entre Uruguay, Chile y México. ¿Cómo era ser futbolista en países regidos por dictaduras?

Como jugador no me afectó. Podría hacer apología de ello, pero el fútbol siempre ha estado apartado de lo que son las ideologías, más allá de que cada uno tenga su pensamiento. El fútbol se aisló de eso, y te digo más: en Chile y en Uruguay, dos países que conozco bien, el fútbol logró tener su sindicato de jugadores. Ni siquiera fue tocado cuando el gobierno lo intentó.

La única vez que sentí que fútbol y política se unían fue en una gira por Europa con la selección antes del Mundialito del ’81. Habíamos jugado en Yugoslavia, Bélgica y Luxemburgo y solo nos quedaba jugar contra Italia en San Siro. El partido se tuvo que retrasar porque iba a ser televisado, algo inusual en esa época, y en una de las gradas había una pancarta contra la dictadura que en ese momento había en Uruguay, así que las autoridades dijeron que no se retransmitía el partido hasta que esa pancarta no se quitara.

También jugaste en España durante el posfranquismo (Real Jaén en la temporada 1978-1979). ¿Cómo era en esos tiempos?

Yo la primera vez que visité España fue con 18 o 19 años porque mi padre es español, y viajamos a Las Palmas antes de ir a Jaén. Cuando llegamos recuerdo que él se agachó, besó la tierra y se puso a llorar. Era la primera vez que veía a mi padre llorar, pero España era la Tierra Prometida, aunque en ese momento era como un perrito que tienes atado un par de días y de repente lo sueltas.

¿Qué tipo de delantero eras?

Yo era un delantero que hubiera funcionado mejor en esta época. No era un delantero alto, ya que mido 1’76 y poco tenía que hacer en las disputas aéreas contra los defensas que en aquellos tiempos se caracterizaban por su gran envergadura. Sin embargo, sabía que era más ágil y hábil que ellos, así que mi gran virtud residía en la anticipación y en estar permanentemente en movimiento.

Eras más un ’10’ que un ‘9’ entonces.

No, para nada. Para mí era un trauma no llevar el ‘9’ a la espalda. Recuerdo un entrenador que un día me dijo que iba a iniciar el encuentro con el número ’14’ y le dije que no, que yo me negaba a no llevar el ‘9’ porque por aquel entonces bien sabes que las posiciones en el campo se reconocían por el dorsal. Y yo era el ariete, el delantero, el ‘9’.

“Más allá de que salgan grandes jugadores de forma habitual, en Uruguay se practica un fútbol muy básico, muy inglés”

¿Cómo ha evolucionado la figura del ariete desde que tú jugabas hasta ahora?

Tuve un entrenador en Montevideo Wonderers que siempre me decía: “para entrar, primero hay que salir”. Al principio no entendía qué me quería decir hasta que un día me cogió y me dijo: “Alfredo, si quieres entrar en tu casa, tienes que estar fuera y viceversa, ¿entendés?, pues en el área es similar”. Esto es un poco lo que hacen hoy los delanteros. En el fútbol actual, donde hay constantes permutas de posiciones, al delantero no le basta solo con hacer goles. Tiene que desmarcarse y generar espacios para sus compañeros; entrar y salir una y otra y otra vez para dificultar la marca a la defensa rival y ser impredecible.

¿Es una máxima que tú aplicas a los delanteros de tus equipos?

Ya no hay delanteros o arietes, ahora son puntas. Antes había mucha más presión para un delantero porque si no convertías en 2 o 3 partidos seguidos ibas al banco, y ahora se tiene más paciencia porque se exigen otras cualidades en esa posición. Mira, el máximo goleador de Emelec esta temporada ha sido Ayrton Preciado, al que yo hacía jugar de volante a pierna cambiada. La ventaja que tienen estos jugadores es que al hacer la diagonal, terminan de frente al arco y en posiciones favorecedoras para rematar.

¿Y qué le dices a tus delanteros para que entiendan que su función va más allá de meter goles?

A Brayan Ángulo, por ejemplo, he tratado de enseñarle lo que yo no sabía hacer. Trabajar los perfiles, que jamás esté de espaldas y que tiene que ser el referente cuando el equipo se lance al ataque. A la semana de llegar a Emelec le dije que era como Benzema, porque no es ni un goleador ni un creativo puro, aunque mete goles y da mucho aire al equipo en las contras y en el juego ofensivo. Casi sale elegido como mejor jugador del torneo y eso es porque está haciendo las cosas bien.

Pues aquí a Benzema se le critica constantemente su falta de puntería…

Eso es porque no sabe hacer goles feos. A Benzema le mandas un melón y la controla en cualquier situación, pero no se “raspa” por marcarlo. Benzema no tiene el instinto que tienen otros y a Brayan le pasa más o menos lo mismo. Yo siempre le digo que su referencia está en medio de los dos palos, donde la probabilidad de que remate bien es mayor que si entra siempre al primer o al segundo palo. Es un jugador muy joven y aún tiene tiempo y margen para mejorar.

Vamos con Emelec, un equipo que ha salido campeón combinando jugadores muy jóvenes con jugadores muy veteranos

Es curioso que en Sudamérica los jugadores empiezan mucho más jóvenes que en Europa, pero también se retiran mucho más mayores.

¿Eso no es porque la exigencia y el ritmo son mucho menores?

Sí. Aunque el fútbol en Sudamérica tiene que evolucionar mucho, sobre todo en países como Uruguay. Más de una vez me he metido en líos por decirlo, pero es la verdad. Más allá de que salgan grandes jugadores de forma habitual, en Uruguay se practica un fútbol muy básico, muy inglés. El portero saca largo y a disputar las segundas jugadas en campo contrario. Prima más el esfuerzo que la creación y tal y como avanza este deporte eso cada vez es menos eficaz.

¿Y no tiene nada que ver que allí los campos y las instalaciones no son las más idóneas para practicar un fútbol de toque y que los jugadores que despuntan pronto vienen a Europa?

Mira, esa es la excusa a la que todos los defensores del “tiempos pasados fueron mejores” se aferran. Yo llevo inculcando mi estilo desde que comencé a entrenar en categorías sub-16. Si tú intentas enseñarles desde que son pequeños, no hay excusas que valgan. Lo que pasa es que es mucho más fácil que yo le diga al portero que cada vez que tenga el balón intente tirar a puerta y echarle la culpa a los terrenos de juego. Yo salgo jugando desde atrás, intento que los jugadores se asocien siempre y no cambio mi idea por nada.

Me resulta inquietante que tengas un concepto tan contemporáneo porque desde que te retiraste hasta que entrenaste pasaron más de 20 años. ¿Por qué tanto tiempo?

Cuando yo me retiré quería descansar un tiempo, pero poco a poco fui abandonando la idea de trabajar en el mundo del fútbol. En lugar de eso, comencé una nueva vida y monté una pizzería que nos ha mantenido a mi y a mi familia todos estos años.

¿Cómo un hombre que se aisla completamente y que ha crecido practicando un fútbol básico mantiene una visión tan actual? ¿No era lo lógico que “de padre borracho, hijo borracho”?

Claro que lo normal hubiera sido que practicara el fútbol que he conocido, y si hubiera comenzado a entrenar nada más retirarme seguro que hubiera sido así. Pero yo sentía que no tenía la personalidad para ser entrenador y nunca tuve la intención de entrenar hasta que un día de 2008, en una de las televisiones que tenía en la pizzería, vi al Barcelona de Guardiola. Ahí nació el gusanillo que me ha traído hasta aquí.

Hablemos de Guardiola.

Lo del Barcelona de Guardiola era un cosa bárbara. Cuando lo veía pensaba: ¿cómo ese equipo puede hacer lo que todos quisimos hacer y no pudimos o no supimos? Tú estás en España y ya lo ves como algo normal, pero con la idea de fútbol que te he comentado antes que tenemos aquí, donde no se dan más de cinco pases seguidos, para mí era como ver una obra de teatro. En ese momento decidí sacarme el curso de entrenador e iba a intentar que mis equipos practicaran este tipo de juego. Además contaba con la gran ventaja de que al haber estado tanto tiempo alejado del fútbol, me iba a reinsertar por completo.

“Desde que yo tengo uso de razón, lo único que he visto que sobrevive a un buen o un mal resultado es el estilo. Ahí tienes a la Holanda del ’74. El único equipo que, sin haber sido campeón, todo el mundo recuerda”

¿Y cómo inculcabas esta filosofía a los jugadores?

El jugador, más allá del conocimiento del técnico, siempre está atento a la actitud de este y percibe si es un hombre coherente. Si empieza con una idea y mantiene esa idea, al futbolista le das la seguridad de saber cuál es la línea a seguir, sin dudas. Normalmente lo que se suele transmitir es miedo a perder. Miedo a fallar. Y lo peor que puedes hacer es que el jugador perciba este miedo que es del entrenador.

¿Y no te parece justificado este miedo? Al final el entrenador es el que está constantemente cuestionado y tú lo has vivido a mitad de esta temporada.

Claro, por cada puesto en el banquillo hay miles de candidatos. Pero uno tiene que ser fiel a su pensamiento.

¿Independientemente del tipo de jugador que tengas? Cuántos jugadores que han entrenado con Guardiola podrían jugar en el Atleti de Simeone, y viceversa…

Está claro que uno tiene que adaptarse a las características de los jugadores, pero lo fundamental es la idea. Guardiola en el Manchester City sigue fiel a su idea de fútbol y eso no quita que en ocasiones sus jugadores peguen balones largos. También el equipo está haciendo muchos goles de estrategia, algo impensable cuando entrenaba en el Barcelona. Al final lo que hay que hacer es añadir armas a tu planteamiento, pero manteniendo la estructura.

En mi caso particular en esta temporada, nosotros fuimos muy criticados en la primera etapa donde fuimos subcampeones* pese a hacer más puntos que en los últimos campeonatos en los que Emelec había quedado campeón.

Pero al final esto es un juego resultadista donde lo que prima es ganar.

Sí, y a nosotros la prensa nos machacó y en las redes sociales, ese sitio donde puede opinar cualquiera de lo que quiera sin importar si sabe de lo que habla, pedían que nos fuéramos (N. del A.: Alfredo Arias se negó a dar ruedas de prensa durante la segunda etapa), algo que hubiera pasado si no llega a ser por la confianza del presidente y la directiva.

Pero seguimos y en la segunda etapa salimos campeones y, ¿sabes qué? Yo no cambié nada. La idea y la metodología de entrenamientos no las modifiqué ni un solo día. Claro que hay que tener en cuentas variables como la altura de algunos estadios, que dificulta la alta presión por la falta de oxígeno, pero son situaciones excepcionales.

Y si tú no cambiaste nada, ¿qué fue lo que cambió?

Que los jugadores creyeran en nuestra idea de juego y confiaran en sus cualidades. Yo les he insistido en que un jugador que juegue en la máxima categoría de cualquier país del mundo tiene las virtudes necesarias para hacer un juego de toque.

Esto, unido a que trajimos dos fichajes experimentados, supuso el sustento que nos mantuvo en lo alto de la clasificación hasta el final. Es muy complicado tener a todo el vestuario enchufado y siendo consciente de que en cualquier momento puede ser importante, pero la clave del entrenador reside en saber transmitir lo que quiere y que los jugadores lo capten.

¿Fue más difícil por el hecho de que llegaste con una plantilla ya confeccionada?

Si te soy sincero, siempre que he entrenado lo he hecho cuando las plantillas ya estaban cerradas. Cuando llegué a Emelec había un muy buen equipo ya conformado. El club tiene una particular política del club, que es muy respetable por supuesto: yo le digo a la directiva las posiciones que necesito reforzar y ellos son los que traen a los jugadores de dichas posiciones que se ajusten al presupuesto. Yo puedo sugerir nombres, pero como la capacidad económica en Ecuador es la que es, toca adaptarse a esta filosofía.

¿Por qué crees se critica tanto a este estilo de juego cuando no funciona?

Evidentemente, porque ocurre pocas veces. Cuando Simeone o Mourinho pierden no son tan criticados como Guardiola, pero porque su estrategia consiste en anular más que en proponer, y la gente que innova siempre tiene más detractores.

¿Cómo reeducas a los futbolistas para que hagan un fútbol que en Sudamérica no se suele practicar?

¿Tú sabes de algún niño que cuando empieza a jugar quiere regalar la pelota? Por muy inferior que se sintiera ante el otro, todo el mundo quiere jugar la pelota y llegar a la portería contraria sin importarle la suya propia. No es cuestión de reeducar, sino de volver a recordarles la idea original que practicaban cuando empezaron a darle patadas a un balón.

Empecé a entrenar en las categorías inferiores de Montevideo Wonderers y ahí es donde me fijé en que es en estas edades donde entrenadores más conservadores, o entrenadores que no saben dar las herramientas a sus jugadores, se alejan de la máxima de disfrutar con el balón y ser protagonistas.

Pero hoy en día hay equipos que juegan al contragolpe y se olvidan de la posesión que están logrando grandes títulos.

Como te he dicho antes, hay que añadir armas a tu estructura y eso quiere decir que en situaciones puntuales quizá hay que jugar a contraataque. Claro que hay conjuntos que viven de esta premisa, pero todo es más fácil si se es poseedor de la pelota. Vuelvo a Guardiola: ¿cuántos de sus equipos han sido al final de temporada el conjunto menos goleado de la competición? Esto refleja una máxima incontestable: es imposible que el rival te haga daño si la pelota está en tu dominio.

Habrá partidos aislados y torneos eliminatorios en los que se puede perder, pero a la larga la idea del fútbol de posesión, unida a otras virtudes que deben trabajarse, es la vía más eficaz para triunfar.

Bueno, creo que muchos pensamos que la gran virtud de los equipos de Guardiola es la forma en la que los jugadores presionan tras perder el balón.

¡Exacto, la presión tras pérdida en campo rival!

Pero otros tantos solo se quedan con el Tiki-Taka.

Yo sigo la idea de Guardiola, pero no quiero imitarle ni evidentemente puedo hacer todo igual que él. A mi el Tiki Taka es lo que menos me gusta. Pero la filosofía de estar atacando constantemente y la alta presión que comienza con los hombres más adelantados es la idea que trato de inculcar. Y te aseguro que hay veces que jugando a 2.400 metros de altura o en estadios a 40º de temperatura con un césped seco y alto es imposible. ¿Y qué tratamos de hacer en estas condiciones? Tener la posesión, hacer correr al rival y atacarles a través del cansancio que les provoca perseguir el balón.

Por tanto, e insisto, lo bueno de Guardiola y lo que yo trato de asemejar es la introducción de distintas variantes en función de la idea principal.

¿Y por eso se es un buen entrenador?

Te aseguro que un buen entrenador no es el que pretende jugar lindo o bonito. Para mí lindo o bonito es un paisaje, un cuadro, una obra de teatro. El fútbol se juega bien o mal, y eso se basa en la coherencia. Para mi un buen entrenador es el que llega el lunes y sabe cómo va a jugar el partido del fin de semana, y durante toda la semana, del primer día al último, entrena para ello. Y por eso es tan gran técnico Simeone como Guardiola, aunque practiquen juegos totalmente antagónicos.

Para acabar ¿cómo un técnico puede ser recordado con el tiempo en un mundo tan cortoplacista como es el del fútbol?

Desde que yo tengo uso de razón, lo único que he visto que sobrevive a un buen o un mal resultado es el estilo. Ahí tienes a la Holanda del ’74. El único equipo que, sin haber sido campeón, todo el mundo recuerda. ¿Qué otros subcampeones se recuerdan tantos años después? Eso es por el estilo tan notorio que Rinus Michels instauró y que con el paso del tiempo todo el mundo quiere imitar.

Un buen entrenador es el que trata de ser coherente con una idea y llevarla a cabo hasta el final, adaptándose a las continuas variantes que este maravilloso juego propone.




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    Quería que lo compraran, pero Emelec no quiso entonces prefería irse a estar solo media temporada.

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    leo_poll

    No hay ningún central nacional que brinde seguridad sinceramente…. Hay q buscar en el extranjero así nos valga 2 millones de dólares pero es de vital importancia

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    hiroshi79

    En Europa una cosa es que inviertan y otra que sean campeones el mismo Madrid es una lágrima en otros países hay equipos que ganan todo a nivel local ejemplo Bayern pero cuando se enfrentan con equipos poderosos ahí quedan colgados en semis, lo mismo con los grandes de portugal o PSG de francia, para el hincha es fácil quejarse y pedir pero hay que meterse en la cabeza que nosotros no sabemos ni administrar nuestras vidas bien sino todos seríamos millonarios, Nassib sabrá porque compra barato y vende caro además no es el único en el mundo River y otros lo hacen la gracia es tener ganancias sobre todo con la deuda del estadio y que mejor que se pague lo antes posible y por otro lado nosotros especulamos sueldos de jugadores pero no sabemos cuanto gana la plantilla realmente y sobre todo al día cosa que ningún otro en Ecuador puede jactarse al 100%, hay que ser más conscientes y no por el hecho de ganar una libertadores tirar la casa por la ventana y ver que pasa, la basura lo ha hecho y sabemos su historia postrera no se han ido a la B por sus amaños, si Nassib pensara o escuchara al hincha ya estariamos endeudados, descendidos y demandados eso es lo que hay que meterse en ka cabeza, hay equipos no poderosos que han ganado la libertadores y no con 3 figuras sino con 11 obreros apoyados por su dirigencia e hinchada así de simple

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    JRC

    la intencion de emelec es de reforse con 3 jugadores mas 2 nacionales y un extranjero y dejar un cupo libre hasta mitad de año por si sale otro jugador mas entre los jugadores qe desea el equipo son Jhon Jairo Cifuentes(se esta gestionando el prestamos o la compra del 50%) el otro delanyero nacional que tmb interesa es carlos garces de los volantes para reemplazar a gaibor hay un uruguayo y un argentino (que segun escuche podria ser cristian guanca) y el defensa estan entre un nacional y un uruguayo

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    Andres Guerrero

    No te respondo porque la verdad da pereza responder a ustedes los amo y señores del foro y creeme si se de fútbol no por ser desocupado y tener tiempo todos los días de estar comentando acá eres más hincha

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    Carlos Alvarado Mora

    y asi lo es estimado o en España quienes crees que son los dueños de los campeonatos y las champios leagueen Francia quien el hace roncha al Paris,, en Portugal lo mismo en INglaterra y hasta en Ecuador quien le hace roncha a Emelec, la copia, nadie los otros son puro atropello y suerte… … !!! los que mas plata tienen y mejores jugadores invierten Barza y Madrid el restos simples espectadores, yo no pido tanto un central tipo maidana y un delantero tipo Silva… mas lo que tenemos… peleamos la libertadores… Se vende caro pero se trae barato… yo apoyo 100% la directiva pero necesitamos arriesgar un poco mas…

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    Jose Revelo

    Te lo dije Edwin

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    Gustavo Rennella

    Que se vengan Cifuentes y Balda, y un central tipo Larrondo, y no fregamos más!

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    FabriBajaña

    Así es!

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    FabriBajaña

    Jajajaja!!

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    Raul

    Me gustaría el regreso de Noboa

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    Jorge Tirado

    pero lo malo es que el pase pertenece a dos odiadores de nassib

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    hiroshi79

    A River le entucaron a Pratto, 13 millones esos brazucas los hicieron cojudos es buen jugador pero no para pagar 13 millones

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    hiroshi79

    Los mismos que lloran la partida de Gaibor le decian pecho frío al man que vaina con la gente

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    hiroshi79

    El que Emelec venda caro tiene trompudos a muchos jaja

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    hiroshi79

    Independiente el rey de copas original, y ligay la reina de copas jaja

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    carlosdavid

    Eso también era de suponerse ,que serán de los refuerzos

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    hiroshi79

    Y quien te garantiza que invirtiendo un billete gsnas la libertadores? Ese pensamiento es iluso estimado, si fuera así en Europa los poderosos y que más plata tienen serían campeones todos los años y de todo

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    hiroshi79

    Eso mismo muchos quieren ya la libertadores y luego estar como ligay que se endeuda y los “sponsors” les traen jugadores igual que a la kk pero nosotros no tenemos de esos padrinos que te pagan un jugador

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    hiroshi79

    Si es el mismo de ese clásico con la basura hace no mucho lo vi un poco subido de peso

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    hiroshi79

    Tanto no, saben muchísisisisimo jaja

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    hiroshi79

    Traer a Guanca nooo mejor otra cosa o si no nada ya ese jugador pasó y se quiso ir pero como le fue mal hasta él se ha de querer ofrecer

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    Patto

    Ah no pues, eso si, más cabreados que chiroca enjaulada. Saben tanto de fútbol…

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    hiroshi79

    Y bueno asi son y luego se ponen bravos y te dicen foca jaja

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    Patto

    Esto decías hace dos meses: “Plantilla mala + técnico turro = fracaso”
    Esto decias luego de la final: “Se me salieron las lágrimas viendo esto de la emoción”
    Ahora empiezas por el mismo camino del año anterior.
    MEJOR VUELVE A TU CLOACA. Resultadista hincha de marcador

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    Emelec tricampeón!!

    Se habla mucho del regreso de Noboa, en gol TV pasan los partidos del zenit y el no juega allá hace rato, ni al cambio lo he visto entrar pero seguramente su resición es altísima

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    Emelec tricampeón!!

    Exacto estamos perfecto

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    Raul

    La falla, hubiera sido buenísimo mas que sea un prestamo

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    edwin

    De Noboa dijeron que no se iva a invertir 2 millones en una sola temporada.

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    ATD22

    Creo lo mismo bro

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    Raul

    Pedro de seguro ocuparía ese puesto

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    ATD22

    Joao Plata es mas win que mediocentro… habra que ver mi ñaño yo dudo muchisisisimo que traigan a un extranjero en el puesto de Gaibor… lo digo porque si leemos entre lineas, se trajo de golpe a arroyo y soliz, y recuerda que pedro aun sigue operativo… de entre ellos saldra el acompañante de Lastra….. para mi, y solo infiero, no vendra nadie en ese puesto

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    Raul

    Para mí hubiera querido que sea Noboa, con el teníamos experiencia y podíamos potenciar ese medio campo para la Copa libertadores

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    edwin

    bueno esa si es una noticia ok. esta vez el reemplazo si lo buscaran fuera no es Noboa por si acaso aunque una pregunta que tal seria Joao Plata.

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    ATD22

    Yo se ñaño… pero la ñaña hablo con cifras y todos los juguetes y lo mas importante que me entere es la voluntad se suneo de emigrar…. se lo merece y que le vaya de lo mejor…. Neme fiel a su estilo suele decir ” ek reemplazo ya esta dentro del plantel”

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    edwin

    pero recien se dio hace pocos minutos no estaba nada firmado anoche en la reunion tampoco se llego a nada .

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    Carlos Alvarado Mora

    el problema es que se ha hecho billete, se ha vendido jugadores, y aun seguimos trayendo jovenes promesas, pero no cracks, a ver si de repente nos frota la lampara y la rompen como Luna, yo si cogeria unos cuantos milloncitos e invertiria para hacer una buena libertadores ganarla y recuperar asi ese billete invertido…. YA ES HORA, NECESITAMOS ALGO MAS GRANDE AUN…ALGO INTERNACIONAL…. LA LIBERTADORES ES UNA OBSESION

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    ATD22

    Te dije ñaño… mi fuente es la hermana de suneo.. no podia fallar

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    Holger Holguin Lara

    Ademas, es un jugador que tiende a subir de peso fácilmente.

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    Andres Guerrero

    Jajja jajajajjajajajaja me rio y me rio siguen los bombazos y neme por su lado rascándose las pelotas

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    Camp3-ON2017

    Si se da lo de John Cifuentes seria fabuloso mas los 2 extranjeros de calidad me doy x servido.

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    edwin

    no ira por un extranjero en ese puesto asi que el delantero sera nacional ademas de el central.

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    ATITA1

    El traspaso de gaybor me puso a pensar en algunas entrevistas que le han hecho a neme donde siempre fundamenta los loogros del equpo mas en la capacidad del director tecnico que en los mismos jugadores, pero ojo que no es que desmerezca a los jugadores, pero mas lija le da al dt. es lo que siempre he podido entender por eso como que no espero una mega contratación. Esta es una de las pocas veces que una persona quiere estar equivocado, o estar loco(hablo por mi).para pensar esto.

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    Raul

    Edwin crees que Neme puede traer a Noboa en reemplazo de Gaibor

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    carlosdavid

    Lo que pasa es que no jay que tapar un hueco y destapar otro , recuerda que hay que pagar el préstamo del estadio , el mantenimiento del mismo y seguir creciendo en lo institucional ,todavía nos falta tener un complejo deportivo y fortalecer las divisiones formativas , no solo es pan para hoy y hambre para mañana.

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    Patto

    un carajazo y chirlazo en la nuca de Lastra y Guagua y dejan quieto si se porta mal

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    edwin

    De eso se encarga Arias o no recuerdas .

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    Emelec tricampeón!!

    Guanca nooo

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    FabriBajaña

    Oh ya!!

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    Emelec tricampeón!!

    Ojalá buen jugador pero algo indisciplinado

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    edwin

    Asi seria lo que comentaron y tambien salio el nombre de Guanca.

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    edwin

    ASI MISMO.

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    FabriBajaña

    Entonces ya los dos extranjeros que faltan, serían un volante y el central?

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    Patto

    Y el no fue el que ya marcó con la azul un par de goles en ese amistoso en Esmeraldas?

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    edwin

    J.C.

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    Emelec tricampeón!!

    Dificil no hay muchos

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    edwin

    delantero nacional

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    edwin

    asi es pero el capo ya tendra listo su reemplazo.

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    Patto

    No crees que cambien los planes en cuanto al delantero?

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    Patto

    Uff de los jugadores que duele que se vaya del equipo, sin embargo no hay como cortar las alas y se le desea el mejor de los éxitos.

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    edwin

    Es lo que se quiere y otra vez demostrando Neme que es un capo en el sentido de transferencias .Y ahora por un delantero nacional y el defensa.

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    FabriBajaña

    Exitos y más éxitos para FG10

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    edwin

    venta ya confirmada por Neme 4.2 millones por el 70% de su carta pase.

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    FabriBajaña

    Otros lo hacían por hacer y viva la fiesta!
    Es la diferencia. Por eso hay dirigentes y NASIB NEME!!

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    edwin

    Nasib Neme : traspaso de Gaibor el 70 % por 4. 2 millones de dolares hace pocos minutos.

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    Ecuadoc Azul

    No creo que Noboa venga y ademas no pienso que tiene fuelle para el ida y vuelta que tenia Gaibor. Yo creo que Soliz es quien tomara la posta a menos que venga un extranjero a ese puesto

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    Raul

    Yo confío en Neme, yo se que va a traer buenos extranjeros y vamos a reforzarnos mejor, seguiremos siendo campeones y llegaremos lejos en esta copa

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    Patto

    Para algunos o para todos!!! Se han dado cuenta que el juego de ajedrez es muy táctico?…. pues cada movimiento es muy pensado. Por ahí leí que gracias a Dios existe Neme!!!, pues bien el lo deja claro, cada contratación es muy pensada y si no ha contratado hasta ahora es por algo y está más que nítido que se esperó a definir que pasa con FG-10. Una diferencia muy grande hay entre esperar y demorar. Y ACÁ LO QUE SE ESTA HACIENDO ES ESPERAR

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    Raul

    Así es, pero el enganche ya lo tenemos que es Luna, sería un defensa central,Noboa y el 9

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    Emelec tricampeón!!

    Ahora es más jodido por que puede ser un 9 nacional y un enganche extranjero o el regreso de Noboa, esto cambia todo

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    FabriBajaña

    En combo!
    😂😂😂

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    Lo de tener scouts especializados en distintos paises es lo recomemdable y realizar un verdadero seguimiento n ves de comprar por videos editados

    Saludos azzulezz campeones

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    Carlos Alvarado Mora

    como ganamos una libertadores, sera que alcanza con el Cuco y marlon…

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    No diria que nos olvidamos, solo esperando cuando se hagan oficiales las nuevas contrataciones

    Saludos azzulezz campeones

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    El Patron

    no dudes que Auad por tres millones ya lo vendía sin preguntar y si le dabas unito más de yapa te venía Burbano…

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    Rockarlos

    Con Esto de la partida de Gaibor, la gente se ha olvidado de los refuerzos que ivan a Venir….. El 9 y el central

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    Emelec tricampeón!!

    Aparte Neme está haciendo billete para invertir en la infraestructura que le falta al club

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    leo_poll

    Ese es el negocio pues compañero comprar barato y vender caro… Si resulta sólo que nos falta invertir más en inferiores menores y creo yo invertir en scouts que vayan a los campeonatos uruguayos Paraguayos Argentinos colombianos y se instalen ahí a seguir jugadores…. Espero Que Neme pueda realizar la gestión en mejora del club

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    Carlos Alvarado Mora

    lo unico turro de mi Presi Nassib… es que vende caro para comprar barato… necesitamos 2 de jerarquia para pelear la libertadores, si no no alcanza…

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    FabriBajaña

    Supuestamente fue vendido en 800.000
    Pero qué va! OQ es el propio pillo. Se lucró de Emelec

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    leo_poll

    Lo que pasa es que así son estos pseudo dirigentes recuerda Jeff Montero… venga venga venga lleve barato venga estamos en remate…. venga venta de garage calientita lleve dos por uno que mañana nos vamos 😂😂😂😂

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    pilapolowila

    No es nada.. yo vi jugar ese equipo y no tenia nada de especial. Manana nosotros les ganamos 3 a 0

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    FabriBajaña

    Más! Si prácticamente Gaibor vale 6millones. Por ahí deben haber un par en ese valor o un poquito más.
    Gracias a Dios existe Nasib!

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    leo_poll

    Imagina jajajjaa vendía el equipo se hacía facilito 10 millones entre todos y hablamos 😂😂😂 si te vi No me acuerdo y de ahí quien nos sacaba de nuevo

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    FabriBajaña

    Así nada más!
    Es el verdadero Rey de copas.
    Poquita cosa no es!

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    carlosdavid

    Amigo Independiente es un equipo grande e histórico de Argentina y del mundo , es uno de los clubes con más titulos internacionales a nivel mundial y el año pasado ganó la copa sudamericana sumando un trofeo más a su rico palmarés , es decir, en este año disputará la posibilidad de conseguir un nuevo campeonato cuando juegue con Gremio la recopa sudamericana.

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    FabriBajaña

    Claro. Se puede buscar mecanismos para financiar la obra.
    Volviendo a esto de las elecciones. Diría Auad: ” Que vaina, 6 millones que se me fueron de las manos”
    😂😂😂

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    pilapolowila

    La verdad que seria una gran decepcion que Gaibor se nos valla para irse a Independiente de Avellaneda que hoy por hoy no es nada.. si se va tiene que ser directamente a mejico o europa

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    leo_poll

    La alegría es inmensa también es una mezcla de emociones en realidad si uno se pone a pensar en el emelec de hace 10 años esto que estamos viviendo parece imposible un suelo hecho realidad…. Si tu le dices a un emeleccista de hace 10 años que uno de sus jugadores puede llegar a valer 6 millones no te lo creía…. Lo único que espero antes de que se vaya Neme es que deje haciendo el complejo para los socios y el centro de alto rendimiento es lo único que nos falta para graduar esta década bueno eso y la libertadores pero la primera es mas fácil por que solo hay q invertir y plata tenemos … Por último se invierte la mitad y la otra mitad a 10 años con el mismo complejo en garantía sale mas barato que alquilar ese puerco samanes y pagar todos los años donde no se puede ni invertir por que no es nuestro…

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    FabriBajaña

    Ganar la copa siempre será difícil para todos. Con los jugadores que se tengan. River adquirió a Lucas Pratto en 13 millones. Pero eso no le asegura que la ganará o la tendrá fácil. Yo al contrario, antes de que me dé pena, me siento sumamente alegre por el y por el club.
    Además que eso sí es una marca, y se llama Emelec. Otritos por ahí se quedaron con ese hueso, hablaban de que lo querían todos los equipos, al final nadie lo llevó a sus filas. Acá en el Bombillo es diferente, sin mucho ruido, un solo club y listo!!

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    leo_poll

    Por eso digo es como que se nos fuera una llanta no el carro completo, no digo que no la ganamos sino que se hace mas difícil… Lo Que pasa es que estamos en la cúspide de un proceso que empezó por el 2009 ya la dirigencia esta mas madura en cuanto a errores y aciertos y se equivocan menos he ahí el hecho que prácticamente tenemos dos equipos titulares algo que no teníamos en ediciones pasadas… Como no llorar si es un jugador parido por el club que lo vimos crecer que ama el escudo a mi si me da mucha pena pero es verdad el ganará el doble del sueldo allá

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    FabriBajaña

    Gaibor es un excelente jugador. Pero por ahí no comparto eso de que, si se va “Suneo” ya no ganaremos la copa. Recordemos que el ha actuado en todas y no la ganamos. Esto es un colectivo, no de individualidades.
    Otra cosa que nos deja de enseñanza el fútbol. Hace poquito se le daba palos tras palos a FG10 y hoy poco más y se lo llora.
    Excelente por el y su Flia. Por el club. Sabemos que le irá de lo mejor, condiciones tiene!!

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    leo_poll

    Bueno si ya lo confirmo Neme no hay vuelta que darle es una pena si pendabamos ganar la libertadores es como que se nos fuera una llanta Gaibor es un jugador sumamente importante para el club…. Cabe recalcar somos la envidia de Blancas y amarillas mientras nosotros vendemos todos nuestros jugadores sobre los 4 millones ellas tienen que pujar para vender un jugador cerca de 2 millones sin contar que cuando liga quedó campeón vendió en un millón a Guerron y en un millón y medio a manzo.. creo que tenemos el record en el fútbol Ecuatoriano de vender más caro y la mayor cantidad de jugadores… Ahora tenemos una mina de oro puro con Angulo, Preciado y Joao Rojas entre los 3 facilito 13 millones y que puede llegar a 20 millones…. Opino que hay q invertir ese dinero en construir un complejo para socios y centro de alto rendimiento el más tecnificado debe América latina para que los juveniles de emelec salgan como guerreros espartanos de las formativas… A mi ganar la libertadores no me Quita el sueño si es que se realiza esto último

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    Goleador!

    Correcto

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    leo_poll

    El porcentaje depende en cuanto lo vendan

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    Goleador!
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    leo_poll

    Neme es un capo se salio con la suya el 70% de 6 millones es 4.2 hahahaha si luego lo venden en 10 millones a Europa serían 3 millones mas….

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    Goleador!
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    Goleador!

    Como ya se lo decía desde ayer en la noche
    https://twitter.com/marcedeje/status/952177024520671234

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    Emelec tricampeón!!

    Ya lo dijo Neme, independiente pagará 4,2 millones por el 70% del pase, asi que ya es oficial

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    Holger Holguin Lara

    Es que se les quedo en la retina el pepa Borbor y seguramente lo quieren emular. Tanto, que difícil pegan una.

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    Andres Guerrero

    Jajajajjajajajaja hacen reír los dueños del foro y la verdad siempre diske dando noticias y queriendo figurar su información y trucha luego de decir tantos nombres no le dan a uno solo mientras neme ni bola les para y esta rascándose las pelotas quien sabe donde

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    FabriBajaña

    Igual Holger.

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    Holger Holguin Lara

    Saludos Fabri.

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    FabriBajaña

    Y más nada!
    Saludos Hno.

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    Holger Holguin Lara

    Rumores y solo rumores.

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    Jose Revelo

    Se dice que independiente pagará 4.2 millones por el 70 por ciento y que si hay una venta en el futuro por 6 millones Emelec recibiría 1.8 millones y se lo vende en 10 millones Emelec recibe 3 millones por el 30 por ciento.
    Algo que si me preocupa es la tardanza de las contrataciones ya que después no van a estar listo y se va a poner como excusa la pretemporada. por lo que veo para mi estaban esperando lo de Gaybor para tomar decisiones.

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    FabriBajaña

    Además que en la cuenta ya oficial de CAI no hay absolutamente nada. Así que todos son rumores!

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    Holger Holguin Lara

    Que manera de haber voceros de Neme en nuestro foro.
    Que ya lo vendieron a Gaibor en 6 MILL. Enseguida afirma otro, falso.
    Que ya vendieron el 70% de su pase. Enseguida riposta otro, falso.
    Que se queda hasta junio. enseguida sale otro, falso.
    Si bien nos desespera no tener noticias oficiales, creo que lo mejor es mantener la cordura y esperar que se den los acontecimientos como deben de darse.
    Creo que no nos hace bien crear falsas expectativas en el foro.
    Paciencia señores, paciencia.

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    ATITA1

    Cierto, tienes razon, no me acordaba

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    dingo_azul

    San lorenzo

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    ATITA1

    Alguien recuerda quien fue el que se cruzo y se llevó al turco assad??

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    ATITA1

    Ah ya gracias pana

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    ATITA1

    Ya pues francamente creo que tanto al emelec como al jugador le convienen esperar hasta junio, yo que Neme les paro el carro de frente, sobretodo por haberle calentado la oreja al jugador buscando que el exija su venta, según leí aquí mismo que alguien puso, aparte yo si creo que el pana vale más de esos 6 melones que se están pidiendo.

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    edwin

    Lo que comentaba esas no es la oficial de independiente se sigue negociando eso si pero nada esta cerrado hasta quisieron ofrecer un jugador mas dinero pero Neme no acepto asi que todavia no hay nada como dijo Romulo Barcos hace pocas horas mientras no este nada firmado es simplemente rumor.

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    Jorge Tirado

    que Bueno porque en las paginas del independiente lo dan por hecho

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    edwin

    Esas no son oficiales.

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    edwin

    Ayer se reunía la directiva de Emelec y todavía no se a llegado a nada independientemente sigue insistiendo en compra de el 70% cosa que Emelec no acepta .

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    Javikill

    vaamos Gaibor ers historico, no hay nada q reprochar solo agradecerte crack. es tu oportunidad Solis yo t vi jugar y pintas para crack

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    Guti

    Esa página más bien es cercana a la basura, creo que carepiña es el dueño

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    Jorge Tirado

    jhon cifuentes

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    ATITA1

    Quien es jc?

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    Dmt_azul

    para mi feraud era la opcion para reemplazar a gaibor… tiene pegada vision de juego y despliegue…. pero bueno ya nacionales no llegaran, igual creo que con pedro y lastra se puede armar una buena media, ademas solis, dixon arroyo pueden que nos den una gran sorpresa… le tengo mucha fe a solis….. yo se que muchos piensen que ya estamos peleando el tercer lugar en libertadores pero le tengo fe a la plantilla, pienso que podemos dar la sorpresa.. y mas si llegan uno que otro refuerzo a pelear la titularidad….

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    Dmt_azul

    balda solo tiene pegada pero no tiene el despliegue que podria dar solis, las paredes tambien es algo que lo hara muy bien, para mi pedro va en el puesto de gaibor hasta que solis se asiente….

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    Patto

    Que buena foto…

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    JRC

    Emelec esta buscando un 9 o delantero nacional y escuche qe estan en negociaciones por JC vamos haber qe pasa los cupos de extranjeros kieren usarlos en un 8 y un 9

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    Jorge Tirado

    es official ya en las paginas del rojo lo hacen public,infierno rojo,y todas las paginas de independiente de avellaneda

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    Jorge Tirado

    AM lo que le afecto es que en la liga argentina el 95% de los equipos juegan e linea 3 y hacen mucha presion alta ademas mucho juego de interiors que eso le afecto que siempre le rompian las caderas

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    Jorge Tirado

    gaibor va triunfar dalo por hecho el terminara de formarce como el gran jugador que es

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    FabriBajaña

    Caicedo es más torpe aún!

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    carlosdavid

    Correctísimo , lo que pasa es que para los enfermos de acá de uio hast uno de barrial era mejor que el ” peor defensa que ha tenido y tendrá Ecuador y elundo entero, o sea Achillier” y coincidieron los tiempos para que Mina ” destaque” y acuérdate como jodían para que le ponga a él y al otro sobrevalorado del kunty caicedo .

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    Rodycaz

    Practicamente un hecho.

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    FabriBajaña

    Y no se necesitaba ser un experto en el tema. Simplemente es un tronco, el no tiene cintura. Se habla mucho del juego aéreo de el, pero yo voy más allá, para mí, para la estatura que tiene, hace poquitos goles.

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    carlosdavid

    Simple verdad , Mina no tiene nivel

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    carlosdavid

    Rey del desorden

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    carlosdavid

    No se porque me da la sensación de que francisco silva va a llegar como refuerzo luego de que se nacionalice , ojalá y no venga ni como nacionalizado ni como extranjero.

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    FabriBajaña

    Mina no tenía nada que ir hacer a la Argentina. Yo sabía que eso se iba a dar allá.

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    carlosdavid

    Ya lo oficializaron

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    Rodycaz

    Que no se entiende?

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    pilapolowila

    Igualmente me parece una pesima decision… no nos olvidaremos jamas lo que le hicieron al Rey Arturo Mina..

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    carlosdavid

    ??????

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    Rodycaz

    Se fue Gaibor. Exitos leyenda.

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    Goleador!

    Por una parte bien por el pero por otra no me convence mucho que se vaya a la Argentina ya que en ese país hay muchos buenos jugadores y siempre prefieren hacer jugar al nacido en esas tierras no se la verdad si fue una buena decisión por parte de Gaibor me hubiese gustado que se hubiera esperado hasta junio y de ahí irse directo a Europa pero parece que esto ya está cocinado…

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    leo_poll

    Es una gran pena de verdad yo no quería que se vaya aún T_T sólo era que se aguante Hasta junio nada mas.. Pero bueno si es el deseo del jugador toca apoyarlo

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    carlosdavid

    A este paso los refuerzoa se los presentara como sorpresa en la explosión azul.

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    Goleador!
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    Goleador!
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    Bombillo de corazon

    Buenas noches compañeros azules yo creo que Luna puede ocupar el puesto de gaibor y traemos un diez de jerarquía. Se que Luna no defiende como lo hace gaibor pero si se puede acomodar tendríamos más salida y con un diez el medio campo super bueno. Luna es aguerrido y si puede ayudar en marca.

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    Oscar Damian

    Yo no me gasto ese billete para traerlo a Noboa… Es mi Opinion…

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    ATITA1

    Ya que se han tardado como nunca en la contratación de los extranjeros Ojalá traigan unos que esten haciendo pretempprada en sus equipos

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    rfpsazul

    Hola amig@s azules.
    Yo pienso que es muy pronto vender a Gaibor. Solo 6 meses mas y lo vendes. Seria lo mejor. Ahora pregunto…. y si la obra maestra de Neme es traer a Noboa con esa plata. Poss
    Seria el negocio perfecto.
    Vamos Emelec

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    wolverine_azul

    Asi es, por eso digo que confirman por si cuenta, nada de fuente oficial de uno u otro lado..

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    ratoncitoazul

    un jugador como Gaibor con las mismas caracteristicas no hay en nuestro ecuador y si en el exterior hay alguno de similares caracteristicas pues nos cuesta lo que vale gaibor y hasta mas

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    carlosdavid

    Página tarrinera afin a la leche de queto, solo hay que fijarse como escriben no más para darse cuenta que tienen una tuza atravezada el el kulo.

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    wolverine_azul
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    carlosdavid

    Deferico jugará en el ascenso de España y Balda firmó por 4 años con El Nacional y en el supuesto que se pregunte por él el vergajo del manjarrez bajito pide 3 y Neme no compra y es más probable que Neme salga alfrente a decir que ahí están matamoros , soliz y arroyo y que no necesitan a nadie más , claro en el supuesto que lo negocien a Gaibor porque mientras no se haga oficial todo será humo.

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    AZUL007

    Hay dos grandes diferencias la pegada de gaybor y la visión para pases no la tiene soliz ,osea q solo qdaria balda , dinero tenemos con la venta hay q ver cuánto pide el Nacho

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    mandrakeazul

    sierra ya esta en mexico creo pero a mi gusto nelson soliz se adueñara del puesto, lo he visto algunss veces y es muy buen jugador

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    Jack Baxter

    Saludos Panas. La pretemporada ya va a su quinto dia de trabajo y todavia no hay los refuerzos que faltan y con la salida de Gaibor se hace necesario contratar al o los refuerzos para que se sumen a los trabajos y se potencie aun mas la plantilla para enfrentar el campeonato y la libertadores. Confiemos en Neme y compania que haran lo correcto por el bien de Emelec.

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    AZUL007

    Se va gaybor y solo hay 2 opciones para su remplazo balda y sierra , lo de noboa es difícil tiene contrato aún

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    Luis

    Mas que todo por la vitrina que es Independiente, si le va bien es un salto seguro a Europa, ademas gana nivel y experiencia, en sueldo he escuchado que no es mucha la diferencia…

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    JRC

    ayer la gente me tomo como pesimista con el plantel que teniamos ahora qe se va el generador de futbol veo aun mas la copa y el torneo nacional
    Con la eminente salida de gaibor creo qe deberiamos invertir en otro jugador qe genere futbol ami me gustan 2 jugadores que estuvieron el año pasado en el campeonato
    1) matias defederico
    2) manu balda
    esperemos que neme haga concincia de las exigencias de los demas torneos qe vamos afrontar espero que esta vez acertemos con los extranjeros

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    Raul

    Si va Gaibor, sería bueno que lo puedan traer a Noboa, y yo creo que ahi podemos reemplazarlo

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    Oscar Damian

    Yo por la Copa no queria que se vaya aun Gaibor, River y Flamengo se estan armando para ganarla y posiblemente el grupo lo complete Ind Santa Fe.. Es un grupo muy Dificil que si nos ponemos pendejos quedamos ultimos y hasta ahora el unico Refuerzo que ha venido para ser titular es Arango… Ojala los 2 siguientes extranjeros cumplan con las espectativas…

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    carlosdavid

    Primero que confirmen si se va Gaibr y de ser así nica Neme lo compra a Balda, recuerda que Nassib no hace caso a la hinchada.

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    Raul

    Si cuesta mucho Manu Balda, mejor traigan a Noboa

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    javier

    gaibor es leyenda !!!! quisiera que se quedara por siempre en emelec pero no podemos ser egoistas con el dio todo por el club y se merece mostrarse internacionalmente

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    angel vallejo

    de acuerdo balda es lo mejor asi no usas cupo de extranjero.

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    Esemismo Gato

    Manù Balda es buena opción pero nacional no lo afloja así no mas, como viene q Neme coje plata lo sobrevaloran !!

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    FabriBajaña

    Aguantó las verdes y las maduras. Aguantó palos, pero ahí siguió. Luego Dios, la vida y su trabajo le dieron una buena recompensa. Campeón por 4 veces.
    Lo de hoy, es premio a su esfuerzo!

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    elmaoazul

    Ojalá que la noticia de Gaibor sea cierta!!! Se lo merece desde hace mucho!!!
    No se le puede cortar esa posibilidad a un jugador cuando tiene ese elevado pico de rendimiento
    Ahora cambian las posiciones para contratar a los extranjeros
    Xq ni Arroyo ni Solís pueden crear el juego que si graba Gaibor!!!
    Se debería hacer un esfuerzo por Manu balda por ejemplo o contratar a un extranjero en esa posición!!!
    Es mi parecer !!

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    FabriBajaña

    Y acá en el foro comentan algunos de esos. De los que comentan sin saber de lo que hablan!!

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    Guti

    También me gustó la parte donde Arias dice que “las redes sociales son ese sitio donde la gente puede hablar de lo que quiera sin importar que sepa de lo que habla”

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    Guti

    Acabo de leer la nota sobre Arias y es muy buena tiene clara la idea de juego que quiere que siga el equipo. Quizás este planteamiento sea determinante para hacer una buena participación en copa libertadores

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    Guti

    Bueno su fichaje a argentina se debe a la insistencia constante de holan de llevarlo a toda costa. Neme quería esperar a junio para venderlo a Europa

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    BARTOK332

    Bueno hermanos azules, si se va , se nos va un guerrero Emelecista, no podemos ser egoistas con Fernando, todos quisieramos verlo disputando la Libertadores con el Bombillo, pero hay que pensar en su futuro, en su familia, en que este es el momento de empezar una nueva etapa en su vida . Pienso que es la pieza mas importante en el engranaje de Emelec, pero hay que darle la oportunidad de progresar. Pienso que Solis tiene mas salida limpia que Dixon Arroyo, aunque creo que le estan calentando las orejas a Christian Noboa. El esta loco por volver a Emelec. Suerte Fernando, que Dios te bendiga y recuerda adelante, para atras ni para cojer impulso.

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    FabriBajaña
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    leo_poll

    Ojo pana mucho ojo se los Argentinos no son como los Ecuatorianos esos son unos hptas allá No le van a aguantar ninguna lo pueden quemar ojalá que la decisión que tome sea la mejor para su futuro en Europa La gente es más consciente

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    Jorge

    Qué huevada era de esperar a junio. Pero bueno el se lo merece azul de cepa . Buena suerte Fernando . Ojalá algún día vuelvas .

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    pilapolowila

    Ahora si parece que se va a ir.. los de eluniverso no fallan..

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    Guti

    Sería una baja importante, el mismo jugador tenía en mente ese deseo o deuda con la hinchada de obtener la copa

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    leo_poll

    Es mas si me ponen a elegir entre Cristian Noboa y Gaibor me quedo con Gaibor

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    leo_poll

    Que pena me daría justo ahora que queremos pelear la libertadores

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    Guti

    Normalmente la gente del el universo tienen mas acercamiento con Neme, por lo tanto la noticia de la venta de gaibor al independiente es cierta. Segun la nota son 4.2 millones en 2018 y los 1.8 millones se darian cuando se haga un 2da transferencia a europa o mexico
    https://twitter.com/marcadorec/status/951946458126864384

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    Azul

    Apoyo a Goleador

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    leo_poll

    Yo no se que tan cierto sea que Gaibor se quiera ir una por que ama al equipo y otra por que si se espera a junio y hace una buena copa tranquilamente se va a Europa con un mejor sueldo…. solo son 6 meses

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    leo_poll

    Aguante goleador

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    Jorge Tirado

    De todas mangueras picoteamos por ahi

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    Jorge Tirado

    Es la oferta y demanda si te van a dar 6 palos fresco ahora no queda de otra

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    Oscar Damian

    En ese precio o mas lo venderá Independiente en el futuro si es que se confirma que va para aya…

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    Gaibor muy barato 6 millones, el pana vale 8 o 10 millones tranquilamente vendiendolo a Europa.

    Saludos azzulezz campeones

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    Desbloqueen a Goleador el es el unico que informa la plena

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    edwin

    Esa es la misma oferta que hicieron dias atras y Neme les dijo 6 es el precio si lo quieren hasta quisieron dar un jugador pero la respuesta fue la misma vale 6 millones de dolares.

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    ATD22

    Lo se de boca de la hermana…. salvo que ella se haya inventado la historia, Gaibor se ira…
    Pediamos 6 millones y los ofertaron, por ende no creo que haya mas trabas….
    Creo hay que irnos haciendo a la idea, pero bueno pronto saldra a la luz cualquier decision

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    edwin

    Totalmente falsa esa noticia .

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    BIONIKO1

    le quitas las primicias oeee, jajaja

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    Oscar Damian

    Veo que mucho andan diciendo que Independiente pago los 6 palos.. Señores eso ES FALSO.. Independiente oferto el 70% del pase en Casi 4 palos y la oferta sera evaluada.

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    ATD22

    Se nos va Fernando Gaibor… al final pusieron los 6 palos ….
    La verdad bien por suneo y bien por el club que le entra fresquiioiito esa plata… como para ir y prepagar el credito del Banco Pacifico….
    Para los que ven esto como una catastrofe, les recuerdo que en esa posicion se trajo a Arrroyo y Soliz… todo estaba debidamente planeado… y para los que creen que no daran la talla, lo mismo se decia cuando se fue Mena, y ahora tenemos a Ayrton que pronto sera nuestra venta mas cara de la historia……
    Neme sabe lo que hace… logro hacerse multimillonario y hara lo mismo con Emelec
    Saludos a todos

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    Daniel Stalin

    Neme estaba cerrado en los 6 pero creo q no son 6 es menos, lo que pasa que ya existe la voluntad de salir del jugador.. Y si pagan los 6 se lo merece…

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    PITBULLAZUL

    Se irá Gaibor?
    Vendra o cuál será el o los refuerzos extranjeros de EMELEC?

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    Raul

    Ok

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    edwin

    no es veridico.

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    Oscar Damian

    Eso es falso pana, aun no se define y Independiente quiere solo el 70% del pase…

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    Raul

    Ya está saliendo en las redes que ya pusieron los 6 M por el 100 % y que ya se va

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    Oscar Damian

    Por eso digo, hoy hay reunión para analizar la oferta.

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    PITBULLAZUL

    Pero es seguro que se va Fernando?

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    Oscar Damian

    Falso.

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    David Ricardo

    No hay futbol en Rusia por que es témpano de hielo.

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    lobinho azul

    en pag azules dicen q es el 100% de su pase
    6 melones

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    Oscar Damian

    Bueno, se dice que hoy hay reunión de la Directiva para analizar la oferta de Independiente por Gaibor. Casi 4 Millones por el 70% del pase.

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    Jaden Namikaze

    Alguien sabe porqué Noboa sigue en el país??? Cuando empieza la pre-temporada en Rusia ???

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    PITBULLAZUL

    Buenas tardes amigos de donde sacan que Gaibor ya se lo vendió?por favor aclaren. Mala noticia

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    Goleador!

    Tanto así? :/

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    Fernando Castro

    Me parece algo muy ilógico y antidemocrático

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    Gabriel

    Capaz espera a que termine la temporada de transferencias, para que publiques menos twits

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    Goleador!

    Ya Benzema webmaster desbloquéame!

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